Today, we've switched things up! Instead of our Guestopia Interview going live on the 26th, we've brought it forward - and for good reason!
First, let's meet today's very special guest... Australian author, CALLY BLACK!
Cally is a winner of Hardie Grant Egmont's Ampersand Prize, and her debut novel In the Dark Spaces will be published in 2017.
She has travelled throughout Asia, Europe and Africa and now lives in Melbourne with her family. When she's not writing YA sci-fi, she teaches TAFE, writes for the educational market, and works with gifted children.
Awesome! Now click here for a little info about the Hardie Grant Ampersand Prize, which closes this year on Friday, September 16th, to find out what a massive writing prize this is!
So, let's gooooooo!
Is this your first published book?
Yes, this is my very first trade novel.
It's very exciting.
I've had short stories published for
children in Educational Publishing and in SF magazines before but have been
focussing on YA novels for the last couple of years.
What’s it called?
In the Dark Spaces, which has a double meaning, and, I feel, invokes a mood similar to one
of my favourite stanzas from a Robert Frost poem, “Desert Places.”
Which genre?
Science Fiction Thriller
Which age group?
Young Adult
Is it a series or standalone?
This is standing alone, and if it does really well... who knows?
Are you an agented author?
No. Unagented.
Which publisher snapped up your book?
Hardie Grant Egmont selected it as their Ampersand Prize novel for 2016
from their annual competition. Very exciting for a first novel to hit the
ground with an award behind it!
How involved have you been in the whole
publishing process of your book?
I'm very
hands-on. Marisa at HGE has a lot of advice and ideas for tweaks and I see it
as my job to realise that potential, so it's a lot of hard and rewarding work.
I don't think anyone else could do it for me. There's an unusual voice and it's
set in an unusual world. I wouldn't want anyone else to do it for me!
Do you have another job?
I have two other jobs. I work for a private educational company that
works with children during the day and I teach at TAFE at night. Fortunately, I
get school holidays off both of those.
Did you receive many, if any, rejections
prior?
Only about a gazillion! Actually the
last couple of years I'd stopped sending work out (this stops rejections!) and
turned inwards to focus on my writing to try to understand why it got attention
but never an offer, and to try to improve. It was a process that involved reading
a lot of essays and articles by writers and reading their novels and picking
apart how they did the things I loved. I'm still in that process. I may always
be in that process. There's so much to learn!
What created/what were you doing or
watching when the first idea for this book sneaked up on you?
I'd read Hunger Games and then I read 5th
Wave and I thought you know what? These authors are having fun and letting go
and not censoring themselves. Gloves off! I'm going to go into a novel swinging
and punching. What's the worst that can happen? I told myself I didn't have to
show it to anyone. It was just for me. And there were a few new techniques that
I wanted to try so it was all useful.
How long did you plot/plan until you
started writing it?
I don't plot. I write to tell myself a
story, to entertain myself. If I plotted, I will have told myself the story and
the process of writing it would change. What I do is I write scene by scene,
and when I get to the end of the story. I put it aside and write it again in a
more orderly fashion from scratch, and try to fully realise the motivations and
quirks of each character. So I write and then I plot, and then I write again.
This second time, I guess is with a writer hat on, whereas the first time, I
suppose I'm inhabiting the viewpoint character. This is a very slow way to do
things, even if you can type 40wpm, but I think, if the writer is enjoying
themselves and connected with their character, you can feel that in the words.
Once you started, did the story flow
naturally or did you have to step in and wrestle it into submission?
I started it. It went in a weird
direction after 20,000 words. I turned the page and started it again, and I've
been wrestling it ever since!
How many drafts did you write before you let someone read it? Who was that
someone?
Well, you understand this was a novel
just for me. I made about half a dozen passes over it. Put it aside, came back
to it, and I still liked it far too much for the strange thing it was, the
experimental thing I was never going to show anyone. So I showed the opening to
an online writing group in the US, and they were really accepting of it. They
didn't bag anything I thought they would. So then I showed the opening to Dee
White who is a great friend and great writer and she liked it. So then the
thing I didn't have to show anyone, became something I could actually show
people.
Did you employ an editor/proofreader or
did you have a critique partner/beta readers before you started querying?
Only the opening with Dee before
querying. The Ampersand was a bit of a spur of the moment thing. Normally I
would run the whole thing via friends, do a novel swap. I'm pretty good at
editing, so it's the story that I need examined. Dee has read the whole novel
since to help me with the HGE edits.
Roughly how many drafts did it take
before you sent the manuscript off into the real world?
Probably around eight. I'm obsessive about
getting things right. Not good at keeping track of numbers.
How many drafts until it was published?
Another four implementing big and minor
changes with Marisa.
Has the book changed dramatically since
the first draft?
The core main character has remained the
same and the core story, but another character was added, and a lot of work
expanding characters and their motivation has improved it significantly. It
basically grew a heart.
Are there any parts you’d like to change
even now?
Yes! Always! Marisa's just pried it from
my hands! I'd keep working on it forever. If only there was more time, if only
I could have another 10,000 words!
What part of writing do you find the
easiest?
I find being the character and writing
the openings the easiest. I love writing dialogue. Finding a voice. I love
setting the character free to tell her story.
What part do you find hardest?
Endings are hard. Being bound by word
counts and pacing is also hard. Not letting the dark parts of the stories
overwhelm the light... as might be judged by a YA reader is difficult, because
clearly I'm a dark person! My darkometer is a bit stuffed.
Do you push through writing barriers or
walk away?
I'm diseased with writing. Did you see
above where I said even though no one wanted to publish me, I wrote just for me
for two years? I write to entertain myself. I write to learn more about
writing. I write because it's a habit I just can't kick, but at least it won't
damage my liver.
How many projects do you have on the go
at the same time?
Erm... three lately but usually two.
Do you think you’re born with the talent to write or do you think it can be
learned?
100% learned. I'm not “writer material”
whatever that is. I wasn't read to or raised among bookshelves, we didn't own
many books. School libraries were my only source of books. I was good at
English but it wasn't my favourite subject. But I am from a family of
storytellers. The things we did, became stories told at late night fires after
hard day's work. The things we survived, were relegated to stories, told over
and over to friends. My history is a collection of stories that have been
garnished for entertainment value. There is the truth softened and made
entertaining by the story. I am a collection of stories. Maybe we all are.
Early on in my daydream of learning to
write, I read Dare to Be a Great Writer by Leonard Bishop. Bishop told me it
didn't matter where your starting point was, as he was once a hobo who won a
typewriter in a dice game, your voice can be as relevant as any other, more so,
if it's honest and raw. It's taken me a long time to trust my voice.
How many future novels do you have
planned?
100s but how many get published is up to
the readers, and whether they like this novel.
Do you write other things, such as short
stories, articles, blogs, etc?
I don't have time to blog. Lately
nothing on the short story front. But perhaps some more in the future.
What’s the highlight of being published
so far?
The first meeting with Hardie Grant
Egmont when a young woman from marketing came to meet me with Marisa and I
asked what her role in the meeting was (feeling nervous I was being assessed
for marketability) and she said, she adored the book so much she had to meet
the person who wrote it! My first fan!
Give us one writing tip that works for
you.
'Don't stage direct the senses.' Your
main character is usually too busy seeing something to think about the fact
that her eyes are doing the seeing or pointing in a particular direction. Just
plunge on in with what's happening.
And one that doesn't.
'Start with action.' Don't start with
action, start with some movement, but something that allows your reader an
insight into your character. Don't expect a reader to care that an unknown
character is under threat of death in the opening paragraph. This is my
Ampersand Prize entry tip too.
Can you give us a clue or secret about
the next book?
Erm... I haven't got that far along yet.
If readers want a sequel, they'll have to let me know next year after they read
In the Dark Spaces, but at the moment, I'm writing another YA set closer to
home, in small town Victoria, which involves a lot of missing people and a bit
of an invasion.
What question have you always wanted to
be asked but never have? What would the answer be?
You realise I can say almost anything
because as a new author, I've not been interviewed!
But maybe I can share what I was like
when I was the age of my protagonist, with the question, “What were you like as
a young adult?”
And the answer is: angry, stupid, a
lanky goofy thing with no identity or sense of value with a deathwish ambition
to be burnt out before 20 (told you I was stupid). And I'm so glad that was one
of the many things I failed at.
And that's a wrap! Fantastic. I for one cannot wait to read
In the Dark Spaces, it sounds awesome. Thank you so much for joining YAtopia today, Cally!
